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David Noone's avatar

Started reading Varnado's Haunted Presence earlier in the week - his explanation of Otto's conception of the Numinous is summarised well - whether or not I shall agree with the Gothic as having a morality I look forward to finding out since I would be of the opinion that the essence of the Gothic is the absence of a clear cut (ie instructional) morality & rather an exploration of the grey areas of morality which creates questions that are far more complex than those found in the works that have a more straightforward moral perspective - either way thanks for drawing my attention to it as I probably wouldn't have found it otherwise

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Daniel Gill's avatar

I found these great quotes translated from Das Gefühl des Überweltlichen (sensus numinis) by Rudolf Otto in Todd Gooch's Numinous And Modernity. I don't believe that book is available in english otherwsie. It basically confirmed what I long suspected Rudolf Otto to have thought,

Gooch says, "Otto claims that, on the contrary, the origin of the gods must be sought in the unfamiliar and uncanny. It is precisely when the gods become too familiar that they begin to loose (sic) their religious power, as was the case, for example, in ancient Greece." then he quotes Otto "Where the goddesses and gods became all-too noble and all-too charming and all-too human-like, belief in them was not at its highpoint, as one would have to assume according to the doctrine of anthropomorphism"

Rudolf Otto also said, "The pictures of the gods of the world, brought together in one heap, would put to shame all of today's museums of futuristic artists in terms of the imagination (Fantastik), strangeness and inexhaustibility of the wholly means of expression of the wholly unfamiliar (des ganz Befremdlichen) that they display. If the oxen strove to see their gods as oxen, humans would appear on the contrary to have had quite the opposite ambition, portraying their gods as half or whole cows, calves, horses, crocodiles, elephants, birds, fish, as marvelous hybrids, hermaphrodites and hideous beings, as weird, confused forms (Schling- und Zeichen-gebilde) and who knows what else.

In Idea of the Holy, Rudolf Otto is like daemonic dread is pivotally important to the development of the holy, but even though there is a remnant at the highest levels, religion evolves away from it. He seemed to be saying two different things at once. These quotes from another of Otto's books really show his true feelings on the topic.

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