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Michael ODriscoll's avatar

Great piece Matt, and find myself--despite my ingrained atheism--agreeing with your thoughts on the "wondrous infusion of a new felt perspective that inflects and transforms our sense of both self and cosmos is simply the way it feels for a dream character to recognize its simultaneous illusory nature as a separate being and its real identity as the One that has dreamt all this, and that is still dreaming it now." I think Iris deMent got it right in her song, which echoes precisely the option to not attempt to articulate the ystery of existence, but to "let the mystery be."

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Interesting topic. The type of emergence that's commonly accepted in science is "weak" emergence. The type of emergence where "and then a miracle happens" applies would be strong emergence, which is not really compatible with traditional materialism. One problem with believing that a strongly emergent "vital force" is necessary for life, or consciousness, is precisely that it introduces the equivalent of a "virtus dormativa" which explains nothing. I've just been listening to a Mindscape podcast episode by Sean Carroll (physicist) where he goes into detail on the topic of emergence; I think he would disagree with Lightman's blanket statement that "emergent phenomena are behaviors of complex systems that cannot be understood or predicted from the understanding of the individual parts of systems." That's one concept of emergence, but it would be inaccurate to present it as the one commonly accepted by most scientists.

As for reductionism, I think this often gets misunderstood as implying that if something can be explained in terms of its parts, the whole is not "real" in some sense. I think reductionism is better understood as talking about different levels of explanation which nest into each other but are all valid (except where one theory replaces another by demonstrating it was wrong to begin with). It would be absurd to think that cakes aren't real because they can be "reduced" to their ingredients and the recipe followed, down through the biology and chemistry of the eggs and flour to sub-atomic particles and quantum states. Reductionism is more like pointing out that you don't need Victoria Sponge as an element in the periodic table. It makes more sense to think of reductionism being applied to scientific theories than to things themselves. If a cake can be explained by chemistry and physics, it is still a cake; the concept of cake is still useful. The same would apply to emotions explained in terms of neuroscience, or a purely mechanistic explanation of how life began.

It's interesting that some presentations of spiritual ideas can end up being more radically reductionist than science, for example in the idea that the self isn't real because it can be conceptually reduced to mental "aggregates." Saying "all is one" can be interpreted as the ultimate reductionist statement. In both scientific reduction and this type of "spiritual reductionism" there is a risk of subtle ideas being interpreted too bluntly. I think there is still room for mystery in a reductionist scientific scheme, it's just that the mystery is hidden in plain sight in the very concept of matter - not "cold and dead" billiard balls but more like a magic fairy dust which can manifest as thoughts or cakes, planets or penguins. I think some of the instinctual opposition to materialism comes from an impoverished concept of matter - if materialism is correct, your thoughts themselves are a demonstration of what matter can be.

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